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Garnet SpyEDITOR COMMENT:
I have been away from the blog today and it has come to my attention that the way this article has been headed up was slanderous and wrong. Take the article with a grain of salt as it is solely speculation. I am sorry for the mistake made today. The article will be kept up but in a quote-format only so people can still see it, but note that it is nothing less than idle speculation. I apologize to Wired most of all for letting this get through as a statement of fact when it was not. -Lance
An interesting clip hints that the Giuliani campaign paid Wired Blog Network to publish an article accusing Ron Paul of using advanced spamming techniques to win online polls. Of course, the blogging entry he shows on the video is no longer accessible. I tried. Still, if the YouTube clip is correct, it shows Giuliani is more than willing to use slander tactics to hurt hits biggest rival.
Watch and make up your mind. It’s easy to get carried away with such allegations, but I wouldn’t put it past a scumbag like Giuliani to do something as stupid as this.
Watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5LgUiz2mBA
Filed under: Politics, Republicans, Ron Paul
[...] Source Posted by disinter Filed in 2008 elections, Presidential Candidates, politics Tags: Giuliani, Ron Paul, Sarah Lai Stirland, spam, Wired [...]
Doesn’t surprise me one bit.
http://disinter.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/where-rudy-mcromneys-money-goes/
I can’t find any evidence the site http://www.rudygiulianifourm.com has ever existed. It is not on archive.org, not anywhere on google.
This would surprise me if it’s true, though not because of any virtue of Giuliani’s. Wired has always seemed pretty upstanding to me. If I remember correctly, they had some writers faking interviews and stuff a while back, and they made a big deal about outing them and reviewing their work. Anything’s possible, but I’d give Wired the benefit of the doubt.
Jake,
Try spelling “forum” correctly and you’ll find it.
http://www.rudygiulianifourm.com/
http://www.rudygiulianiforum.com/
@jake try spelling it correctly, comes up first try
Jake,
Try going to http://www.rudygiulianiforum.com. It’s a forum, not a fourm.
Hehe, I’m glad you bothered to check archive.org but didn’t bother to check your spelling. ;)
Jake, you spelled forum wrong in your webaddress. I was able to access the website just fine.
[...] Disinter had a link to an post about the person who wrote the article, apparently there has been some indication that the article originated with the camp of a certain former mayor. More information here. [...]
Heh, thanks Bob and Marvin. I kept checking his name because it is easy to misspell but never looked at the last part. :P
[...] US presidential candidate called Ron Paul has been advertised in spam. There’s currently a massive shitstorm raging about the true source of the spam — it was delivered via an infected consumer [...]
Oh please. That video clip is yet another tactic OF those Paulite spammers. Of course none of them will believe it, they will say it’s another “conspiracy against poor Ron Paul” that the sites:
rudygiulianiforum.com
fredthompsonforum.com
huckabeeforum.com
mittromneyforum.com
have all been traced back to 2 IP addresses. Simply put, it means there are a few people who are creating all these forums. Check the messages on them, the ones that haven’t already been shut down have roughly the same number of members, and have most of the same posts (”[Insert the name of the candidate this forum supposedly supports] Admits to being a recovering homosexual!” etc.)
Those types of posts always end with a message like “This is so sad - I thought [insert same candidate's name] was such a good candidate, but now the only one we can really seem to trust is Ron Paul”
The point is that the rudygiulianiforum.com site is not real and is just a fake site, this whole thing is a cover-up. Ron Paul supporters should not think the world is out to get them, but rather acknowledge that somebody in their midst has been using unethical tactics, then try to end that problem.
To all the Ron Paul Supporters who had NOTHING to do with these scams:
Denying that someone else who supports Ron Paul did them lessens your credibility. If you join forces with the people who are trying to eliminate the unethical “cheating” of the polls, the opinion of Ron Paul Supporters that people have will probably increase, not decrease.
There is going to be a lot more of this. All the other candidates will see that Ron will take it and will do anything they can. I know it sounds trite, but Ron Paul really is “Hope For America”. Otherwise, I shudder to think at where we’ll end up.
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How to Whip This Ron Paul Character and All His Whacky Followers.
Ron Paul can be defeated by ignorance. Ignore him if you can.
By lies. Misrepresent his positions whenever possible.
By word gaming. As Lenin advised, “First, confuse the vocabulary.”
By contempt. Dismiss him as amusing and pathetic.
By smearing his supporters. Find the worst and spotlight them. Call them a cult.
By consensus. Dismiss him with peer-pressure ridicule.
By false accusations. Spread them quickly and far.
By never discussing his policies. Change the subject to his person.
By the polls. Ask the right people the right questions and get the answer you want.
By reporting his most unpopular votes. But don’t report his reasoning.
By rudeness. Wreck any debate where his ideas are winning.
With all these tools, he can be easily defeated. Use them generously.
But Ron Paul cannot be defeated by refuting him in an honest and courteous technical debate. Avoid that.
- Moderno Machiavelli
The rudy forum isn’t a real forum….
Sarah Stirland’s denial is relevant to this discussion:
http://www.sarahstirland.com/
It seems highly unlikely that any Ron Paul supporter is actually doing this. Look at who benefits. The Ron Paul campaign is being done direct damage and harm. It isn’t a mere unethical tactic. It’s a transparently counterproductive one which anyone smart enough to pull off the attack would’ve been smart enough to predict.
This Giuliani forum is fake. This whole video is fake. This video and that forum are yet more examples of crap overzealous supporters are pulling that is actually HURTING the campaign. Guys, STOP IT! Stop being a bunch of petulent brats and grow up! You are making the rest of us look bad.
I am a core conservative who would like to have Ron Paul as the Republican nominee. This won’t happen because Ron Paul’s supporters are a bunch of whiny nutcrackers who don’t know how government works. I have to work ten times as hard to promote my candidate to voting conservatives, which should be easy, but it isn’t because first I have to discredit all of the little pips that pull this crap.
Thanks a lot. You are all morons and ruining my country. I just hope that Ron Paul and the reasoned conservative base can ignore you enough to make a sound decision, but I can’t blame them for not wanting to be associated with you.
[...] Conspiracy Theorists for Ron Paul cry, “It’s a conspiracy!” The Giuliani campaign bribed the Wired author! Uh, no. Also, holograms hit the [...]
Lance, you rock. You take your responsibilties seriously and have the guts to admit the mistakes that are the price of doing business, as it were, in this hurly-burly chattering agora. You also correct them, which is plain honorable. Hats off to you and your staff, really. Politicians and their fiascos are a dime a dozen; good journalists are increasingly rare. Beat the Devil!
I agree with you Jake. It is a conspiracy against Giuliani.
http://www.ezcampaigns.com
I agree with Jake and Sean. To paraphrase Adlai, Paul is appealing, the Paul camp appalling.
quit being dumb asses, like thier was a conspiracy you sound like a bunch of morons, your discrediting ron paul you fucking idiots, all of you that believed jslef should go shoot yourselves in the head
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[...] Speculation: Clip hints that Giuliani campaign paid Wired Blog Network EDITOR COMMENT: I have been away from the blog today and it has come to my attention that the way this article has been headed up was slanderous and wrong. [...]