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Garnet SpyThere seems to be some serious concern of that:
And here’s some fun for you; I went to the CNN Delegate Counter (a nifty tool) and, playing around with some scenarios I see as likely, I come up with totals not 30 delegates apart- all of them without the ‘2,025 needed for nomination’. Why is that? Simple; the Florida and Michigan delegations are missing.
The winner ends up with a plurality?? How asinine and embarrasing will that be?
And if Obama wins it, will some wonder if intimidation was a factor, especially if Florida and Michigan are ‘disenfranchised’? But to seat those two states, the only ethical way would be to redo the primaries, which itself is an expense the national Democrats are unwilling to foot (and shouldn’t have to; they warned those two states). Maybe Hillary and Bill could pass the hat to their Chinese and Saudi friends for the funds; it would be the first time those two entities actually contributed to a ‘democracy project’.
Most ways this all could pan out look really ugly. My suggestion to solve this? Thunderdome!
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Only 611 delegates left. Hillary Clinton would need 94% of the votes remaining and Barack Obama needs 74% to secure the nomination. Neither of the Democrat candidates can secure the nomination with delegates, they are going to have to have a brokered convention in Denver. Maybe just like 1968, riots and all.
Florida and Michigan had a choice to make. Listen to the Democrat party rules and not move their primaries up to keep their delegates or move it up and loose their delegates. They both chose to move their primaries up and loose their delegates.
Now Florida and Michigan would have “special status” for this election, giving them power similar to Iowa and New Hampshire being the first states to vote.
See my article at:
http://digitalartpress.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/a-do-over-in-florida-and-michigan/
And then as the Democrats convene, looking for a savior…
…in steps the man in shining armor, riding into the convention center on a white horse (bareback of course), with a copy of “An Inconvenient Truth” in his left hand and a Nobel Peace Prize in his right.
And then, Lance, the Democrats have a candidate no one voted for, in a deal cut in a smoke-filled back room. McCain will waltz from there.
As for the ’special status’ for Florida and Michigan; which sounds better, ’special status’ or ‘disenfranchisement’. No good choices on that, but the least bad one would be primary ‘do overs’ in both states. And not caucuses, since that’s a major change in the states’ methods.
If the Super Delegates overturn the voice of the people and keep out the winner of the Pedged Deleates then I for one will make a point of doing everything in my power to stop incument Democrats from prevailing in November and beyond…I love my Congressmen (Adam Schiff) but I will vote, volunteer and donate to the Republican irrespective f how he votes as a Super Delegate.
Here’s the fun part; which voice of the people?
The delegate count, or the popular vote totals? What if they are different?
The voice of all the people- including Florida and Michigan- or only those whose state officials abided by rules set by unelected party officials? (Did you vote on Howard Dean becoming DNC Chair?)
Democrats won’t oppose Gore, he could have won the nomination but he wouldn’t look saintly if he had entered the competition.
Besides, most Democrats will rally around him as the man who should have been president in 2000.
Hard-core Democrats might, Lance; but the independents would look at him- with the kindly assistance of GOP 527s- as the undemocratically selected nominee decided on by Party bigwigs, possibly afraid to face the ‘vetting’ of the primary process. Too busy taking accolades from the elitists to mingle with the unwashed, like the candidates that would be so summarily dismissed.
I haven’t been a political operative for a quarter-century, but even I could handle that campaign.
The party is going straight into a head on collision. They are fractured now and the convention will kill the party for this election cycle.
Al Gore will not get the nomination, thats a pipe dream. No matter he would be beat again.
The Democrat party is backpedaling on Florida and Michigan and are going to change the rules again. They have done what they accuse the Republican of in every election they lose, disenfranchisement . This is what they do best, whine and change the rules.
As to the super delegates, even the creator, Bob Beckel and crew during the Mondale campaign, said this rule was a mistake. But, if they must use them at least let them cast THEIR vote, not tell them how to vote. Telling the people what to vote is what happened in Russia recently.
I haven’t heard anybody mention that this issue realtes to a fundamental violation of the Constitution of the United States of America. The constitution gives the states the right to determine voters, not a “party”. In this case, millions of voters have been disenfranchized by a party, not by a state. What if that party had been called the Nazi Party, or the Communist Party? Would people be ignoring the constitutional issue this situation is?
Your right, it is a violation. The media has been trained to be leftist. They will not report the fact that they want to take rights away. Believe me I am in college studying all about the “movement.”
” Read “The Practice of Everyday Life” by Michel Certeau or “Mapping the Terrain New Genre Public Art” by Suzanne Lacy.
According to them I am not supposed to be an artist.
Now we’re getting into the kind of sticky discussion and ‘inconvenient truths’ that party officials do not want to be a main point of discussion. If they accept the two state’s results- or even arrange a ‘do-over’- count on screams of racism and the mass demonstrations in Denver taking racial overtones. If they don’t, listen to the screams of ‘disenfranchisement’ and the Dems can write off Florida for sure.
“Artist and writers throughout the continent are currently involved in a..redefinition of our continental topography. We imagine either a map of the Americas without borders, a map turned upside down, or one in which…borders are organically drawn by geography, culture, and immigration, not by the capricious fingers of economic domination.” - Guillermo Gomez-Pena. The opening to Mapping the Terrain New Genre Public Art Edited by Suzanne Lacy
This is right out of the University system, I know I have to read it right now. What a bunch of Marxists Thinking. Why do some artists consider themselves the ones to decide how the borders or culture should be. That is up to the people not an arrogant artist.
Liberals are at work in the Democrat Party, believing this tripe.
Most artists gage their success on the amount of economic gain they can acquire and how big their audience is. Sound more like capitalism all the time. But they will never admit that, they want to seem above the fray and tell everyone else how to live.